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Secret Squirrel's avatar

This is really interesting but I don't know if I quite follow.

I think Pierre Manent once said that the expression "neoconservative" is confusing because it makes people think both a body of ideas and a typical intellectual trajectory. (IIRC he was saying Ratzinger was a neocon in the second sense but not the first.) I think that you are making a similar distinction and are (at least in this piece) are interested in people who have been driven right by leftist effervescence. They are neo- and not paleocons, to the extent that they are, because they wind up in a position like Ratzinger's / The Free Press, not the SSPX / Alex Jones. (I'm happy to say that I'm a New Romantic who rejects futile and exhausting hyperpolitics but I guess if you don't see things this way I'm a neocon by tendency.)

Isn't the differentia specifica of neoconservatism as a body of ideas, however, commitment to an aggressive US foreign policy that will remake the world in accord with Western Values? One that isn't deluded by rhetoric about International Order and wisely knows it has to act now because it doesn't think that History is on its side? I've been really struck by Adam Tooze's running commentary that the real heirs to the neoconservatism of the early Reagan and Bush II eras are Biden and Jake Sullivan (here https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/oct/10/war-middle-east-ukraine-us-feeble-biden-trump, and at greater length here https://adamtooze.substack.com/p/chartbook-331-46-in-medias-res-a.) Maximum pressure on Iran, in support of Israel, vs. Russia in a proxy war, vs. China in a Cold War. This was frightening and dangerous in a way we Americans had difficulty taking seriously because we are so navel-gazing. It is why I've found this whole "have Democrats rejected neoliberalism" debate between Klein/Yglesias and The American Prospect bizarre. The Official Democratic Party rejected "neoliberalism" in the name of Cold War II with China, and I don't think the part of the left that's interested in electoral politics noticed or cares?

Anyway sorry for this disorganized rant, which I realize isn't as much of a comment on your post as I hoped it would be. I would never vote for Trump, I am a milquetoast social democrat left-liberal, but I don't think we Americans are sufficiently scared of the political center. This leaves me unsure exactly what political epithet to give myself.

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John Ganz's avatar

I think this is really well observed. Yeah, I'm not sure the neo-paleo split obtains anymore, so there's a lot of cross-pollination. But one key thing to think about in all this is Israel: did the paleo right accept a more openly ethnonationalist Israel?

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